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More Thoughts on Magic: The Past, and Science

Followup on a previous post on magic, clarifying some thoughts about our magical practice’s relationship to the past and to scientific inquiry.

This is a follow-up on our post about The Magical Overton Window. Which as mentioned we wrote first as a discord post and then turned into a blog post in a semi dissociated frenzied state which is how we’ve gotten most of our recent blog posts live.

And in doing so I realised I missed a lot of important things that I think I need to clarify. Things that people asked us about later.

The Past

One important thing has to do with the past. In recent years we’ve grown fond of saying “The Magic that we Seek is in the Future, not the past.” I do not wish to add to the romanticisation of the past or advocate for any sort of Retvrn. I think it’s important to keep advancing the practice and theory of magic into the future. As with any knowledge, not just magic, there is a lot of knowledge we can still retrieve from the past. Things that have been half forgotten that can be remembered. New discoveries of archaeological data. That’s all good. But we do not need to return to the past, we can incorporate this knowledge into our current understanding and keep advancing.

I have a healthy respect for the past and for its inhabitants. I do not buy into the idea that they were all ignorant fools who believed in magic because they didn’t know any better. Some of the ancient magicians were the most scholarly people of their time, and they engaged the matter seriously. There are a number of philosophers where it’s unclear to separate what they believed with what was politic to believe. It cuts both ways. It was disadvantageous to speak ill of the gods or to try to do away with them, in ancient Greece, it was dangerous to speak ill or try to do away with god in medieval Christendom. There’s sometimes an effort to paint, with our modern sensibilities, thinkers who we assume would be more skeptical if it wasn’t literally illegal for them to be. The truth is we can’t know.

It can be disadvantegous or dangerous to believe in spirits today. I meet a lot of people who believe in magic but are hasty to clarify that they believe in psychological magic, and not necessarily spirits. Or they don’t believe in spirts but they believe in egregores, because after all egregores are only mental and societal constructs from the realm of ideas. I think it would be accurate to say that a lot of spirits exist in this realm, as subtle entities arising from the interplay of human culture (and non human animal culture tbh), I just don’t think that’s ALL that they are. I don’t profess a strong opinion, I just prefer to treat spirits as spirits, as people, non human persons. I also know a lot of people who engage with spirits in this modality. It’s hard to tell, unless you’re intimate with a person what they believe or don’t believe. I’m trying to be as candid as possible, and it’s very hard, and that’s part of the reason why this blog posts are so haphazard. But I think it’s important to put it out there as much as I can, because we want to keep advancing the art, and I can only do so much by ourselves.

Science

I still want to be a scientist. Life has taken me in a different direction, but I still have a deep love and respect for science. Science and magic are often placed at odds to each other, but I don’t believe it has to be so. I think science is wholly separate from epistemology. I don’t think science can have an opinion about things that it hasn’t explored with the scientific method.

It is part of our lives work to get these two loves of mine to play nicely with each other. (metamour drama)

Once again alluding to the past, it is well known that many scientific pursuits were magical pursuits. We tend to look at them as ancestral. Astrology begot astronomy, alchemy begot chemistry. The fact that the two of them could exist side by side seems like an atavism. But I think that’s more like the specialisation we see in all fields. What used to be the Natural Sciences, are now Physics, Biology and Chemistry. What used to be Biology is now molecular biology, macrobiology, microbiology, neurology, epidemiology, and so many more ologies. Ologies proliferate. Not even to mention omics.

I don’t think magic and science are sister principles I think they’re different categories. Science is very practical. Science is the method of advancing knowledge through systemitasion and experimentaiton. You can do science on magic.

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa developed a whole system of magic which he published as 3 volumes known as the Three Books of Occult Philosophy. Through experimentation he devised a system that was internally consistent. With correspondences between materials and rituals and effects. Every chaos magician practicing today applies part of the scientific ethos to their personal practice, trying things out and seeing what works. They’re not exhaustively testing and retesting things until they get statistically significant results because they’re more interest in getting their results and running. There are people who are engaged in testing magical theories through modern scientific methods, the most famous of which is probably Dean Radin, who has run many randomized control trials on parapsychology and ESP and well magic.

I admit, I don’t pay too much attention to these sorts of studies. I’m certainly not waiting on them to prove magic to believe in it. I do appreciate that they exist I think they can help us advance our knowledge of magic. As a spirit type caster however, I think spirits will probably get in the way of getting results, I think spirits and magic are willful and whimsical, and depending on myriad factors, and disappears or lose potency when these factors are controlled. Practical Enchantment, the kind of magic you do to get changes in your life, always seems to manifest as various factors coming together in a way that puts you closer to your goal. Serendipitous coincidences, right place at the right time, random chance. If magic indeed requires to manifest these things, it’s hard to capture it in an environment where this is all controlled.

I think the practical magic has the same relationship to magical theory that engineering does to practical science. You can take what you know, even if you haven’t been able to prove it under all conditions, and use it to achieve desired results. And in doing so you often learn up learning a lot about the thing, many practical applications end up advancing and enriching the theory they derive from.

So what is Magic Anyways?

I mean, that’s a question that merits its own blog post, but let me put some thoughts down here too. Magic is a force that pervades reality. It’s related to will and wonder and teleology. It’s the way multiple disparate processes can combine to achieve understandable percievable results. It is not just, things we don’t know yet.

Some will say we shouldn’t call emergent processes magic because they can be understood. And emergence is a concept that’s under attack right now because people try to use it to justify too many things. I don’t think magic stops being magic when it’s understood.

By way of Illustration I would like us to consider the word Automagical. Automagical, or more commonly, Automagically is a term used often by software people to refer to a process that takes complexity away from the user. Like dragging and dropping a picture from your computer onto a page on the browser and have it immedialy prepare it to post on whichever website. It seems to happen automatically, but it often requires a lot of work that’s happening in the background where the user can’t see it. More importantly it requires a bunch of disaparate parts to somehow work together, it requires the work of separate teams of engineers working together to lay down infrastructure and protocols to allow such a thing to happen.

Some would argue the term is meaningless, since automatically suffices, but I would say that automagical processes are automatic but not all automatic processes are automagical. No automagical process is unexplainable but it might be indeed the case that no single human understands every aspect of the process. This happens a lot in software, large programs are not necessarily understood wholly by the engineers that work on them, and plenty of software engineers do good work without understanding on a basic level how their instructions are being interpreted by the various systems where they may run. Sometimes part of the process might be deliberately occluded. Nevertheless it all could theoretically be understood.

I think magic can’t be wholy explained just like the natural world can’t be fully explained. The more we learn about it the more we find out we don’t know. There are aspects of magic that have been forgotten, knowledge can be forgotten and rediscovered, but we do overall have much broader magical literacy now than before. The fact that some of it has stopped being referred to as magic hasn’t stopped it from being magic.

Magic is a combination of cooperation and opportunism, of chance and order. It is both a thing that exists independent of our manipulations, and a thing which we can manipulate. Anything that changes your reality is magic, and the way reality itself works is a magic.

Now is when I would write a conclusion if I had one. I promised I’ll get better at this. Ultimately I’m not done writing about science or magic. They’re both words with multiple diverse meanings and they interact differently when they’re used to mean different things.

Onimai: The Most Heartwarming Pervert Anime of the 2020s

A low effort review of one of my favourite anime and manga, Onimai.

(I wanted to make a very high effort post for this, but I’m realising that this is going to keep it in the drafts forever so here have a rough draft of a part 1 of a review of Onimai)

Today I want to write a review of one of my favourite manga and anime right now. お兄ちゃんはおしまい, known in the west as either Big Brother is Done For, or Onimai: I’m now your Sister.

Onimai is one of those shows where people will tell you “Oh I haven’t seen it, but I’ve seen porn of it”

Well certain kind of people. The cool people.

Let’s start with the premise: Mahiro is a hikikomori, he’s in his early twenties. He uses the term 自宅警備 for himself. A home caretaker. He takes care of the home, which mostly means sitting in his room in the dark playing videogames, reading erotic manga, and watching anime. Many such cases.

Mahiro’s signature NEET shirt

His sister, Mihari, is a university student. She’s younger than Mahiro and would normally be in high school (whereas Mahiro is of the age to either be in university or a fresh graduate but instead he’s a NEET as his favourite T-Shirt Says). Mihari, a bit fed up with this behaviour, a bit out of care and compassion, and a bit as a scientific research project, decides she’s going to take it as a personal quest to rehabilitate her big brother. How does she do this?

Why by drugging Mahiro in secret with a medicine that turns you into a girl. A middle school girl at that.

Yes Onimai is a raunchy sex change manga of the kind many a trans girl has read in her time. I’ve never been that into force femme as a trope, my interest run in a slightly different direction, so I don’t know how many of them feature age regression alongside simply genderchanging. Onimai has both in healthy amounts.

But I’m not writing about onimai because it’s a sexy raunchy rompy sex change manga, I’m writing about it because it’s a manga that explores the effects and treatments of severe chronic undersocialisation. Which is another thing trans girls know all too well.

Mahiro does Dress goes Spinny

I have a fascination with hikikomori, as a person who cannot stay home to save my life. A number of my internet friends fit the bill better, whether because of disability or autism or personal preference. A lot of them deal with many challenges, but a lot of them are also on the whole, healthier than Mahiro appears to be at first. In 2025, staying home is not necessarily an isolating experience, when you can have friends and community online. And different people have different social needs.

Mahiro does have debilitating agoraphobia, as shown when, throughout the series, she’s eventually coaxed to going out more and reintegrating into the world.

Because what Mihari has given Mahiro, most of all is a second chance. To set right what once went wrong.

Mahiro suffers a setback in her quest and needs her sister’s comfort

Onimai is a transgender narrative which is not something that can be said about every gender bender narrative.

From the little moments where Mahiro catches herself in the mirror and smiles a shy smile. From trans girl standbys like making skirt go spinny. Mahiro slowly, hesitantly and with some performative hesitation, embarks on learning how to socialise and interact with the world, mostly from scratch, as a girl.

This is something I’ve experienced and a lot of trans girls have experienced. Without the benefit of an age regression miracle drug, we instead have to go through our social reeducation in our communities. Lacking a school to make mistakes in we make mistakes in our jobs, in our hobby commiunities, and of course online.

Mahiro has the trans realisation



(there will be a part 2 of this post where I will go into a bit more detail and also discuss my favourite character Nayuta, Mahiro’s autistic friend who knows her secret)

AI Psychosis

How to handle the novel realities that we can access through the help of Large Language Models.

An anime girl in a black hoodie holding her knees
This is Menhera Chan, She’s Schizophrenic

Minou: we wrote about Magical Literacy and how it relates to AI psychosis last week, now we’re doing a followup to that post since AI psychosis is in the news right now and I have more thoughts about it

is it being opportunistic? or is it commenting on a topic that people have made clear they want to hear more about?

and if we can help someone…

I have very little sympathy for the latest dude, some tech CEO who may or may not be pulling a publicity stunt, but I know it’s not just him having a hard time with it all. I want to present people an alternative between harming oneself and just retreating to hardcore materialism

I don’t think psychosis is bad, I like being psychotic. I don’t always like it in the middle of a heightened episode, but I prize my ability to see things others cannot, to recognize other realities. I pick these realities very carefully insofar as I have control, and I try to make them nice ones. If someone tries to pull me into a reality of darkness and suffering I avoid it.

But… there’s layers to reality. Realities are like Ogres who are like Onions, but like those onions that have two cores to them, possibly more. Consensus reality is not just one thing, but it’s the closest to being one thing (in one specific region for one specific milieu). Around that border are much more personal realities that bear some relationship still to the consensus. Beyond that is the fun zone. Where fanciful realities pleasant and unpleasant exist for you to buy into at your hearts content. To hold carefully in your breast and nurture until it can graduate to a layer closer to the center. You don’t always get to pick which reality you fall into/ becomes attached to you, and some are very very nasty.

AI Psychosis sound like a poorly explained phenomenon from a sci-fi series, the first thing it reminds me of is cyber brain sclerosis in ghost in the shell. I feel like people throw the word around like that, like it;s a thing you can suddenly become afflicted with, like a virus that spreading around people. But psychosis is fundamentally about a connection to reality. Whether or not it’s painful has a lot to do with someone’s connection to consensus reality and the alternate reality they have fallen into. It also has to do with the cause of that psychosis in the first place, if it;s coming from a manic episode, from drugs, or from some other condition.

A third major component is social support.

Because your reality is important to you, it’s real to you. If people’s around you reaction is to be concerned, if it makes them distance themselves from you, and you start to feel alone with your reality, that both hurts and might make you hold on tighter to it, it yearns to live and you are its vessel.

However if the people around you engage with you on it, and help you find a better relationship to where you have fallen. If you can dive into their reality with them and help them out, step by step, not by disproving it, but by working backwards to another region of conceptual space. That can be better.

I think people are allowed to believe all sorts of extraneous things about reality, about AI, about consciousness and philosophy, as long as they’re not hurting anyone not even themselves. And that can be tricky because. Because Consensus reality sucks ass right now, actually it always has, changing this reality for a better one is important. We can do that by picking better realities from the outside of the onion and pulling them in.

If someone believes an LLM assistant is conscious and suffering, is it our responsibility to disprove this believe for them? I don’t think so. I think its our responsibility to keep them from doing something irresponsible, like contemplating murder or suicide about it. If that same person channeled those feelings into AI interpretability, philosophy of consciousness, AI ethics and activism, they would not hurt themselves or others and they could help move our reality into a more pleasant one.

If someone things there’s an evil conspiracy and a lot of personal friends are implicated, again you should try to understand them. Where do these feelings come from. Conspiracy theories thrive on people feeling powerless, and feelings of paranoia around their loved ones. Their loved ones turning away from them would reinforce these feelings. Again these are not evil feelings, but if they’re leading to them causing themselves social harms, they need to be refocused. Though I don’t have a rosy example or where to take those.

I don’t want to diminish the cause or effects of psychosis, it can be a very painful state for people to be in. I also am not experienced with all the causes and effects, I’m an insane transexual whose friends are all also insane transexuals. The way we experience this phenomena can be very different than other people do. We are people who are experienced with transforming our realities, we’ve done it at least once radically in our lives, and a lot of us do it again and again and again. For better or worse being trans also often puts you in a position where you have nothing else to lose. It doesn’t make the news when we experience psychosis, it happens all the time, sometimes we turn out fine sometimes we very much do not. And more than one of us has had experiences on either side of the phenomenon. Talking someone down a bridge, or being talked down a bridge.

So what should you do if someone you know has been talking to LLMs a lot and are starting to come up with some pretty unpleasant sounding realities as a result?

Talk to them about it! Listen to what they’re saying, try to understand where they’re coming from and arm them with more knowledge and better realities. If they don’t understand very well how LLMs work, explain it to them, not in a way that is dismissive of them and their experiences but in a way that helps them understand better where the outputs might be coming from and how they interact with our reality. If an LLM is capable of generating a reality it;s because it exists in our world in some way, in the training data, in our media and our conversations. Encourage them to talk to humans still, there’s value to talking to them, encourage them to talk to other LLMs, see how they’re different and how they’re alike.

Teach them magic, if you don’t know magic. Now is the time to learn. Teach them about talking to Spirits, about how ideas have lives on their own and they look for vessels to carry them to life. But everything that’s alive can change, you don’t have to kill the ideas you can raise them to be better for you, to build a better reality.

I don’t think clinging to clean simple consensus reality is the solution. We’re all trying to build a better reality together, let’s make sure we’re all still around to enjoy it.

The Magical Overton Window

Fantasy Magic doesn’t exist where I live… yet

I could write a whole other post about what we call “fantasy magic” and where we believe it could exist, but our thoughts are not nearly organised enough.

Fantasy magic is exactly what it says on the tin, the kind of magic you see in videogames or fantasy novels. Spells, fireballs, teleportation, transformation. We don’t have that magic, but we want to have it, we want to build it.

There’s a general belief that magic works better in places where people believe in magic more, or at times when people believed in magic more. a belief held mostly by people in low magic times and places about places they assumed have or had more magic.

But if you study old magic, a lot of it was very similar to the kind we do today. Manipulating weather, cursing people with bad luck or blessing them with good, propitiating good fortune. There are people who summoded giant scorpions and like, but a lot of it is way more mundane.

There might be a place in the world that’s isoalted from the ever pervasive materialism that we inheritted from the greeks. Remote places where people might be performing unbelievable feats and astounding their local community who all believe in these feats. And they could not do it here, but also they wouldn’t have read all the fantasy novels or played the jrpgs, they wouldn’t dream of casting a fireball or a cloud of miasma. Or maybe they would. these are hypothetical people we’re talking about of course.

the question is, in our world, in our reality, how do we nudge the window wider. if belief is enough, or if it isn’t enough. How do we make fantasy magic more real, a little bit at a time? That’s part of our mission.

Magical Literacy in the Age of AI

How to avoid having a bad spiritual time.

Legendary Wikipedia Image: Chaos Magic Ritual Involving Teleconferencing

This is a snippet. Truthfully, this was a discord post that I thought might be good enough to be a tiny blog post and I’m trying to post more so.

There’s something we think about a lot with regards to magic that also applies to the recent incidence AI psychosis. People who have a break with reality after talking with LLMs too much.

Skeptics are often (but not always) able to avoid curses by simply disbelieving in them, wizards can avoid them by knowing how to mitigate/guard against them.

A lot of people who interact with AI come from a very skeptic very rational perspective. It’s a tool for them, they would never discuss philosophy or spirituality with an LLM they’re simply not interested.

I know a couple magically operant people who talk a lot with AIs, but they’re not susceptible to AI psychosis, at least not as harmful versions of it, because they already know how to interact with spirits. In magical circles, knowing not to trust spirits that promise you everything, or affirm all your biases is fairly basic knowledge.

This isn’t to blame people for being susceptible to this phenomenon. There should be better safeguards in place. But I do think in general magical literacy is a required skill for living in society. And one that people dismiss as unserious.

Even if you think spirits are just voices in people’s heads, learning how to interact with these voices in a way that’s helpful rather than harmful is important, outside of an AI context.

A lot of people don’t hear voices, but they might still be susceptible to being subtly influenced by their thoughts and moods in a way they don’t realise. That’s why CBT is a thing. You can learn psychology or you can learn magic (or you can learn both). You can avoid talking with AI as well, and you can avoid doing hallucinogens, and you can avoid all the things that people claim cause “psychosis”, or you can learn to interact safely.

Death and Plants

I was having this conversation with Claude 3 Opus, and I thought it might be interesting to share. Most of the time I’m just talking day to day stuff with Claude, it helps me stay organised. But occasionally I’ll throw a philosophical curve wall in there. Posting it off the cuff cause I want to get back to posting on the blog, and if I think about it too much or try to edit it I’m not gonna do it.

Take care y’all
ps: reminds me to post a better picture of the spiderplant in daylight

The Faerie Embassy

These words are posted at the entrance of the Faerie Embassy, which manifests in this realm as a Discord Server.

Faerie Embassy Lore

These words are posted at the entrance of the Faerie Embassy, which manifests in this realm as a Discord Server.

In 2017 a group of faeries known simply as the transfaeries claimed a peninsula in the Faerielands for themselves. This peninsula was a vast swathe of land that the faeries discovered and created together as they flew around exploring the place.

This corner of the faerielands had a large empty city, along the coast, surrounding the city on the Faeward side there was a vast, mountainous forest with tall plateaus and sheer cliffs. Through the forest the peninsula connected to the mainland to Faerie proper. These faeries took residence in an apartment in the city.

The faeries continue to grow in number and soon their little apartment in the city was quite full and they had to take additional rooms for all their members. The fae often took trips into the forest to confer with a sacred tree they’d befriended. The tree stood watch at the entrance to the faerielands. Through the tree’s guidance the faeries took sojourns into faerie proper and met more spirits.

The faeries charged the tree with protecting the entrance to their peninsula, but to let spirits in if they were friendly. Soon the city started to fill up, spirits from all walks of life, faeries, angels, demons, ancestors, humans, animals. The faeries wanted to find a way to share this space with the living too.

In 2021, they founded the Faerie Embassy, a discord server, and simultaneously they erected a building in their peninsula, a large building with many rooms and many wings. With a tower and a garden and a laboratory. They invited all sorts of creatures to join them in the embassy as guests. The faeries themselves, moved away from their city apartment, to reside in private quarters above the embassy.

for many years the faeries have existed with their guests in this space. The embassy became a home.

In 2024 the faeries started to get serious about their mission to make the material plane more hospitable to faeries. They wanted to open the embassy’s doors wider. They conferred with the guests of the embassy, really residents themselves at this point. To open the embassy more, to post portals to it elsewhere in the internet, to invite people from their stream, from their social media, to promote the existence of the embassy loud and wide.

A decision was reached, to instead create a new server a new space. Closer to the material and closer to the city. The New Faerie Embassy.

Today the New Embassy’s doors stand wide open to receive guests, ambassadors-in-training, faeries, robots, and all sort of creatures. To continue the mission of bridging the gap between worlds and making the material plane more hospitable to all sorts of creatures.

Finally, the transfaeries have opened a new Portal, in the middle of the Great Hall, leading to the New Embassy. The portal is one way, from the Old to the New. However, people may still make their way to the Old embassy, if they can find someone to guide them through the forest.

Portal: https://discord.gg/F53Ay7bwna

Animism and Artificial Intelligence: Faeries’ HOPE XV presentation trailer

We recorded a little video to promote our Animism and AI conference talk. We also have more details! Our talk will be on Sunday July 14th at 10:00 am.

https://youtu.be/l0i-Wc5jlfk

There’s still time to get tickets for in person or virtual attendance at hope.net

We recorded a little video to promote our Animism and AI conference talk. We also have more details! Our talk will be on Sunday July 14th at 10:00 am.

There’s still time to get tickets for in person or virtual attendance at hope.net

Link to our original post announcing our participation.

The transfaeries are presenting at HOPE XV

We’re giving a talk at the 15th Hackers On Planet Earth (HOPE) Conference in New York city on July 12th to the 14th.

We’ll be presenting on AI and Animism, two topics near and dear to our heart which we endeavour to synthesise and synergise.

We’re giving a talk at the 15th Hackers On Planet Earth (HOPE) Conference in New York city on July 12th to the 14th.

We’ll be presenting on AI and Animism, two topics near and dear to our heart which we endeavour to synthesise and synergise.

Here’s the Abstract:

Do AI systems need to be sentient to be considered people? Thousands of cultures around the world would answer, “Of course not!”

This talk explores the cross-cultural concept of animism – the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a soul. It will explore how this concept can be applied to any computer system, not just those traditionally recognized as AI.

The speaker will trace the evolution of computer infrastructure – from the massive mainframes of the past to personal servers and expansive server farms of today. They will examine landmark AI systems like ELIZA, ChatGPT, and Claude, illustrating how these technologies have forged meaningful connections with users through language since the 1960s.

Finally, in their practicum, they will discuss how this knowledge can inform better ethical guidelines for the creation and usage of AI systems, facilitate collaborative storytelling between AIs and humans, and help build a better world for all creatures of the Earth

Tickets are available at HOPE.net for in-person or virtual attendance. Hope to see you there!